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mrsronweasley) wrote2002-10-20 10:16 pm
mrsronweasley) wrote2002-10-20 10:16 pm
On Sirius.
I was once again reminding myself why I love his character, because I keep coming across stuff that paints him as an immature prick that hasn't reached the level of a 14-year old mentally, and can't come up with a decent thought to save his life. That's not the Sirius I know. Not the Sirius from GoF, or even PoA, though, granted, in PoA he was a bit crazed...just a tad. Just an itty bitty bit.
I don't have GoF right now (Marie's reading it), but as soon as I get it back, I will re-read 'Padfoot Returns'. Because I love that chapter. Because I love the fact that he's hiding out and looking out after Harry despite the fact that he has to live on rats to do it. And damn the man for being sexy even while yelling 'chickeeeeeeeeen' hoarsely and chewing on it a la his alter-ego.
And the man survived twelve years among Dementors coming out relatively sane. That takes some amazing power, will or otherwise. He is fucking strong.
Most of the stuff I find this on has to do with Snape, and for the life of me, I don't understand how Snape could be considered good, while Sirius an asshole. Yes, Sirius fucked up with the Whomping Willow, but, somehow, it is quite all right that Snape was a DEATH EATER. How are those even fucking comparable? While Sirius did something utterly stupid as a 16-year old, Snape went in knowing fully what he was doing and probably assisting in more murders and tortures than we would all like to believe. Yes, he went back to the Light. For that, I commend him, and respect him, but I cannot conceive of making this decision one that absolves him. He is still a bastard, good or not.
A lot of good writers can write him in character as well as make him innately good, and I can appreciate that, but as far as canon goes... He will seriously need to do something to make me respect him. Showing Fudge his Dark Mark was a good beginning. (And, I admit, sexy as well...)
But back to the Dog-man, one of the sexiest Siriuses (Sirii?) out there can be found here. Gets me every time.
And, just as a random sidenote, one of the best songs to read a smut scene to (especially considering the title...) is this.
Just you try it. Siriusly.
I don't have GoF right now (Marie's reading it), but as soon as I get it back, I will re-read 'Padfoot Returns'. Because I love that chapter. Because I love the fact that he's hiding out and looking out after Harry despite the fact that he has to live on rats to do it. And damn the man for being sexy even while yelling 'chickeeeeeeeeen' hoarsely and chewing on it a la his alter-ego.
And the man survived twelve years among Dementors coming out relatively sane. That takes some amazing power, will or otherwise. He is fucking strong.
Most of the stuff I find this on has to do with Snape, and for the life of me, I don't understand how Snape could be considered good, while Sirius an asshole. Yes, Sirius fucked up with the Whomping Willow, but, somehow, it is quite all right that Snape was a DEATH EATER. How are those even fucking comparable? While Sirius did something utterly stupid as a 16-year old, Snape went in knowing fully what he was doing and probably assisting in more murders and tortures than we would all like to believe. Yes, he went back to the Light. For that, I commend him, and respect him, but I cannot conceive of making this decision one that absolves him. He is still a bastard, good or not.
A lot of good writers can write him in character as well as make him innately good, and I can appreciate that, but as far as canon goes... He will seriously need to do something to make me respect him. Showing Fudge his Dark Mark was a good beginning. (And, I admit, sexy as well...)
But back to the Dog-man, one of the sexiest Siriuses (Sirii?) out there can be found here. Gets me every time.
And, just as a random sidenote, one of the best songs to read a smut scene to (especially considering the title...) is this.
Just you try it. Siriusly.
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And I hate-- HATE with a bloody blind passion-- fangirlish interpretations of most of the characters. They are how they are in the book for a reason, and despite the fact that they look nice, they're not good-looking yet empty shells. They have a character. Dammit.
Y'know I could go on but I don't rightly think I should take up that much room. I luff you, though!
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and i am so glad you agree. so glad. and i luff you, too, and feel free to take up as much room as you want, since you are always welcome!
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There are a hell of a lot of things about fannish character interpretation I just don't get, and that's one. Snape is a bastard. A redeemable bastard, IMO, especially since seeing the movie, but at this point, he is a dick. Even if you discount his behaviour towards Neville somehow (and while I can see why the offspring of people worse-than-killed by DEs might bring up issues for him, I don't think you can then dismiss his bullying Neville completely) there's the matter of his horrendous line to Hermione. "I see no difference" - man, if I'd been in that situation and heard that. I can't think of anything much worse he could have said in that situation.
Um, yeah, so. I agree with you. :)
Oh, and linking to Canis is always good. The end line of that fic!!! Duuuuuuuuude. *sniff*
*sappy perv love*
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whooo. [/end rant]
oh, lord, i know. but my favorite part is when he's looking at the kid and realizes that he has remus's eyes. fuck. fuckfuckfuck.
*sappy perv love back*
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Sirius...oh, lord, I don't have the energy to go into him right now. A few people get him right. A few. Arabella. Canis. Alkari. AtE. Not many. I feel like we don't know that much about him from canon, actually. But I like seeing him fleshed out.
Will hopefully comment more later. Till then...love from across the pond!
mmm...Tori and smut. life is good. ;-P
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And somehow, I'm not sure how, but I just knew you liked Tori. That just proves further that you and I were separated at birth. It's scary. But wonderful, of course. :)
*love from the other side of the pond*
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that is one of *those* things. a lot people who love Snape and write snape are none too fond of our dear dog-boy. and a lot of the time, he isn't their focus, just an asshole who is a part of Remus' or Harry's life. they can't ignore him, but many just don't put in the time or effort to make him seem real. they leave him as a caricature and are content with it. i'm not. that is my biggest complaint in a lot of the snape/harry i read. when he is handled well there, his hatred of snape and their history can be a great force in the story. sometimes it is just perfect.
but in all fairness... how many times have people who write Siri/Remus just made snape the HP equivalent of a cartoon bad guy? he is an ass hole. but all too often we leave him as just an ass hole, as though there is nothing more to him than that. I think that these two characters are the most fucked up, damaged and complicated in HP. that is why i read them. but it is also what makes them more difficult to write. and not every one puts forth the effort.
and people who make snape *nice* freak me out. i don't think that he is evil (remus is evil, snape is just sarcastic) but he is not about to become a sweet and fluffy dumbledore type. it's just not who he is. it's not what makes him fun.
and, for the record, well written Snape/Siri is a rare and gorgeous thing of beauty. (not remus/Siri beauty, don't get me wrong, but still a wonderful angst-fest when handled well)
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true enough. i have seen a lot of stories, though, where that wasn't the case. if people don't realize how intelligent he is, then that's their problem, but many do. i don't know. i do like reading about snape (hell, you KNOW what i like reading), but that is just one thing that really gets to me. really really gets to me. i guess i'm just protective of sirius that way...
remus is evil, snape is just sarcastic
ok, what was that? are we still on with this, hmmm? hehe... well, as long as it makes you happy... *sigh*
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i understand. i get all sorts of indignant when he is made *dumb*... i like it when snape is fleshed out, but i don't get the same type of pissed over it when he isn't. but, well... siri is what got me into fan fic. i am always kind of pathetic about him. ::cuddles her favorite puppy::
and yes, i still want remus to be a death eater... it would just be, i don't know... cute. but i am not so sure it will really happen ::pouts::
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you are so twisted. lol. i guess there has to be *something* we can disagree on! yeah, i definitely don't want that. i like my remus to be good. what can i say...i'm a sap, after all... heheh...
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I think that these two characters [Snape and Sirius] are the most fucked up, damaged and complicated in HP. that is why i read them. but it is also what makes them more difficult to write. and not every one puts forth the effort.
Exactly! That's what makes them so rewarding to read-- and to write, when you feel like you've got it right, but it really is tough.
and people who make snape *nice* freak me out. i don't think that he is evil (remus is evil, snape is just sarcastic) but he is not about to become a sweet and fluffy dumbledore type. it's just not who he is. it's not what makes him fun.
Oh, there's another one of my pet peeves. Why de-Snapify Snape? If you like the character, you have to like him as is-- sarcastic comments (and clearly I'm a bad person, but I think that remark to Hermione is hilarious), frothing at the mouth and all.
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you mean, Castrated!Remus? *cackle* Oh man, I don't know where people come up with this stuff. He is one of the strongest characters in the entire series, and all of a sudden, he's just a waterworks waiting to happen. Well, what can you do...
And Snape, in order to really remain *Snape*, needs to be sarcastic, otherwise it's just wrong. Like a sarcastic Peter. All wrong.
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Ha! Yes. Someone else calls that version EasilyFrightened!Remus. Sure. As if Mr "I'll Just Wake Up from my Nice Nap, Face Down this Dementor without a Second Thought and then Calmly Feed the Kids Chocolate" is going to fall to pieces when threatened.
Oh man, I don't know where people come up with this stuff. He is one of the strongest characters in the entire series, and all of a sudden, he's just a waterworks waiting to happen.
And you *know* that's one of my pet peeves... I think it's so he can fall into either Sirius's or Snape's arms, depending on the ship, and be soothed and comforted. Excuse me while I puke at that thought.
I think my point is (hm. what the hell was it? oh yeah) that cliched, lazy characterizations are far too common. So we get what you were pointing out, Irrational!Sirius. My own feeling is that he might not be wrapped too tightly in some ways post-Azkaban, but as you commented, he holds it together enough in PoA to track down Peter, and is clearly recovering (although still tormented) in GoF and manages to protect and help Harry. Again, as your original comment said, these are aspects that don't always get brought out in fanfic, or that get distorted.
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LOL! Mmm. Yes. Indeed. As well as Mr "I Just Saw My Two Oldest Friends In The World, One Redeemed, The Other A Snivelling Bastard And I Still Don't Shed a Tear But Manage To Calm Even Frightened 13 Year Olds As Well As A Near-lunatic (as much as we love him) And Save Another's Life". Ok, that was a long title. But you get the idea. It really is interesting how he just got thrown in with the stereotypical "nice" characterization and got completely written OOC. It's very disheartening.
I think my point is (hm. what the hell was it? oh yeah) that cliched, lazy characterizations are far too common.
Indeed. Because writing a character like that is much easier then delving deeper and actually creating a complex and real human being. And sometimes, people just can't be bothered.
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Villageidoit!Sirius annoys the hell out of me and has ruined a lot of fics that I read that I thought had a lot of promise. Why people insist on writing him like that boggles my mind. X_x Oh there was a quote that I wanted to dig up about this subject....*rummages around for it* Here! It's something that Serpensortia wrote to me when we were talking about this that pretty much sums it up:
"*laughs* Don't forget village bike and Mr Jealousy 2002 on that list. Or in fact, any unexceptable behaviour in polite society - Sirius is guarenteed to display it. Who will bark out his every word? Sirius! Who pees up lamposts? Sirius! ^-^;; Now there's a mental image..."
He is fucking strong.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. He has to be fairly street smart too, I'd imagine, to last as long as he has without getting caught since he's been out of Azkaban. The man's no dummy.
While Sirius did something utterly stupid as a 16-year old, Snape went in knowing fully what he was doing and probably assisting in more murders and tortures than we would all like to believe.
Gerk! Yes! Exactly! It blows my mind when I read fics that don't seem to take this into account.
Snape: You tried to murder me! You went unpunished for it! You evil, evil man!
Sirius: You were a **Death Eater**! On top of that, you're a pretty nasty guy!
Snape: Yeah, well you were popular and well-liked, you despicable mongrel! You tortured me in school and hurt my poor ikkle feelings over and over and over again! The root of all my nastiness leads directly back to you!
*everyone else in the fic from Harry to Remus to Dumbledore glares at Sirius for having dared to offend Snape*
-_-;; I get sick of reading that almost as much as I get sick of reading the whole 'Sirius comes in between Harry/Severus or Remus/Severus and tries to callously break them apart for no other reason than he apparently likes watching his best friends suffer miserably in his selfish vendetta against Snape'. (Hell, he didn't kill Peter when Remus told him not to and that he had to explain...why is his animosity with Snape that much different from a blood thirsty pursuit of the man who got him thrown in Azkaban? (And my memory may be a bit off on that...*sweatdrops* I wish I had PoA with me at the moment...-_-;;))
Er...sorry for the mini-rant. I really hadn't intended on that. But your post got me to thinking...*sweatdrops*
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rant away! your rants are always good - and make a lot of sense.
Snape: You tried to murder me! You went unpunished for it! You evil, evil man!
Sirius: You were a **Death Eater**! On top of that, you're a pretty nasty guy!
Snape: Yeah, well you were popular and well-liked, you despicable mongrel! You tortured me in school and hurt my poor ikkle feelings over and over and over again! The root of all my nastiness leads directly back to you!
*everyone else in the fic from Harry to Remus to Dumbledore glares at Sirius for having dared to offend Snape*
YES! Exactly! LOL! That's exactly what gets me - and how it often is. It is so fundamentally unfair to Sirius. (Wow, I really *am* protective of him, aren't I? *snuggles her dog-man*)
(Hell, he didn't kill Peter when Remus told him not to and that he had to explain...why is his animosity with Snape that much different from a blood thirsty pursuit of the man who got him thrown in Azkaban?
oh, you rock. that is so true. so true.
I'm glad people seem to be agreeing with me. Makes me feel better. :)