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A Public Service Announcement:

I believe I have alienated a good majority of the SBRL list. Ooops. And all it took was three pages worth of writing.

EDITED TO SAY: The above I actually find intensely amusing. The aggravation comes later. See below.

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So, I could make this friends-only. But I won't. I don't know if it's un-Ghostly of me, but we've all heard this talk before.

Now, I have just posted on the R/S thread. Again. (I won't even count the times, but a few of them have been just strictly mod-ly posts, so it's OK.)

Can I just point something out?

WE ARE NOT USING REMUS AND SIRIUS AS CRUSADERS FOR "THE GAY CAUSE".

That thought never even OCCURED to me. What we're doing is letting two people who deserve happiness have it, in their own special way. What we're saying is that it would simply be nice if they were an example of gay love in literature, because their love, whatever kind it may be, is very rare and beautiful. I am not a story-book romance person. I am one of the most cynical people you'll ever meet in your life. (Which is why my favorite 'romantic' poem is W. H. Auden's "Lullaby".) But this - this gets me. Because their friendship has stood the test of time. Because they ARE willing to die for one another, with no reservations - and because it wasn't quite the case before. Because through hell they have found out what they mean to one another. And because they still have a long way to go before all their issues are totally resolved. (I mean, really. Think about it.)

I do not "use" characters for my own evil purposes of promoting homosexuality in children's books. (Although, admittedly, it would be nice to see that in a book and not have anyone freak out.) I love those characters - which is why R/S took over my life in the first place - and would never presume to "use" them.

But I guess I'm wrong in thinking that. I suppose that really, all I'm doing is making every other HP fan's lives miserable by saying that two men can love each other, because, honestly, they would be so much better off with badly-written Mary-Sueish original characters. (Obviously, there are exceptions. You know what I'm talking about.)

Oh, me and my evil, evil ways...

Off to eat and do stuff. My rant for the day is done. Thank you and Good Morning.

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*blinks*
People think that? News to me as well.
Sirius and Remus just belong with one another (well, in my opinion anyway).
So, yes, totally agree with you.

And how do you think you have alienated the list? If you think it was your last fic...well, I hope it didn't because it was damn good, and it can't all be happy smut and fluff all the time, theirs just isn't that type of relationship, especially when history is considered.

Anyway, it sounds like you have every right to bitch. Hope something cheers you up today. :)

-Taliesin

Sirius and Remus just belong with one another (well, in my opinion anyway).

Exactly. *sigh* However, there are those that would put all sorts of spikes in our own opinions because, well, they feel like it.

Something did cheer me up - occasional drunkennes does wonders...heh.

And thanks. :)

I believe I have alienated a good majority of the SBRL list. Ooops. And all it took was three pages worth of writing.

In some ways I find that simply astonishing (and will ask for details once I can get five minutes free of work).

So it's ok to have one or other of them wildly OOC, or in a stupidly unimaginable scenario, or in a situation that betrays a basic ignorance of how emotions and relationships work, or even all three together; but not to read about bitterness and hurt that is actually real and dirty and genuine?

On second thoughts, don't answer that. I shall expand on this in private. Once I can get five minutes free etc etc. I'll try not to rant, promise. Congratulations, incidentally!

And on the flipside, there's this:

WE ARE NOT USING REMUS AND SIRIUS AS CRUSADERS FOR "THE GAY CAUSE".

It has occurred to me before that that particular thread at SQ seems to attract some of the most homophobic comments I've seen on any HP message boards. It's almost as though some people take it as a personal insult that two of the good guys in the books might be gay, or that other readers think they might be gay. Slashers don't storm boards discussing het ships, insisting that HARRY ISN'T STRAIGHT! so why the urge to talk this ship down by whatever means? I find the whole situation ironic, because the vibes I get otherwise from SQ are of tolerance and liberalism. Why hang out at the site, if you can't respect that?

(Obviously, there are exceptions. You know what I'm talking about.)

You are such a fibber. Tolerant and generous, but a fibber nonetheless. (And I would insert a winking smiley here if I did smileys.)

Sorry for going on a bit. Too much coffee. Or maybe not enough.

Roche

On second thoughts, don't answer that. I shall expand on this in private. Once I can get five minutes free etc etc. I'll try not to rant, promise. Congratulations, incidentally!

Heh, thanks. I am quite proud, in fact. Does that make me a bitch? Good. I'm tired of being nice all the fucking time. Rant away - I like your rants very much.

. It's almost as though some people take it as a personal insult that two of the good guys in the books might be gay, or that other readers think they might be gay.

I know. It's just that a lot of them cleverly disguise that indignation with crap like romance cheapens friendship (for some reason, only homosexual romance, mind you...) and that we shouldn't have to want a gay relationship in HP because it doesn't fit into that world. Horsecrap.

SQ is a very liberal and open-minded place - I think most of the crap shows up at that thread. Huh.

You are such a fibber. Tolerant and generous, but a fibber nonetheless. (And I would insert a winking smiley here if I did smileys.)

Honest! There is only one exception for me that I could believe and maybe even accept Sirius with an OFC, and that would be Katinka's "Interwoven". It's wonderfully written, and her Abby is an honest to God fleshed-out wonderfully imperfect character. However, as much I love that story, I still can't help thinking 'what about REMUS?!' Heh.

Hope you're having a good weekend. :) (I do smileys, so here you go - ;))

WE ARE NOT USING REMUS AND SIRIUS AS CRUSADERS FOR "THE GAY CAUSE".

I was surprised that anyone would think that. I guess it came from all the talk about werewolves as a surrogate for homosexuality, etc., but -- really -- obviously the relationship appeals to you first, and *then* you look for reasons to justify it.

Well, it seems obvious to me.

That seems just as silly as saying that we are promoting R/H as crusaders for "the bickering cause" or H/G as crusaders for the "early crush" cause. It's just backwards.

Angua, crusader for the "Sometimes Smart Sidekick Girls are Just FRIENDS" cause

Well, it seems obvious to me.

Right. Because you're intelligent, you see.

That seems just as silly as saying that we are promoting R/H as crusaders for "the bickering cause" or H/G as crusaders for the "early crush" cause. It's just backwards.

Exactly!! It's not a CAUSE - it's a preference! Sheesh. Your cause is a very good one, btw. I likes.

Oh, well, yes. And yes. Stated very nicely. I agree--the R/S board on the Quill even is getting a little bit "whoah."

Oh, and I miss you.

Oh, and JESUS WHERE DID YOU GET THAT ICON? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

love
me

Hey, you!

I agree--the R/S board on the Quill even is getting a little bit "whoah."

Yeah, definitely. Some people just seem SO bent on telling us R/S shippers where to stick it. It's almost bordering on ad hominem attacks, actually. But there are still the adamant few that stick for R/S - and for that we thank them. :)

Oh, and I miss you.

I miss you too. We have to have a nice long conversation when all your craziness is over, methinks...

Oh, and JESUS WHERE DID YOU GET THAT ICON? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Heh, you like? I made it. In a fit of boredom. Check out how I made my layout fit it...ah, that book. I could make you one, if you'd like. I am just now discovering the wonder that is Adobe Photoshop... :)

love,
me too

I don't think any rational person would dare consider the thread to have been started to instigate a "crusade for 'The Gay Cause.'"

However, the thread did get as such I was extremely reluctant to go engage in my typical snarxy devil's advocate position, as I really have no desire to get maligned and shouted down.

-the fandom terrorist.

-the fandom terrorist.

lol. Yes, you are. But that's ok. So, wait, which side were you going to terrorize?

People think R/S is a Gay Crusade? Excuse me while I roll on the floor laughing! I mean, hello! Why would you want to crusage for Gay Rights using fictional characters, one, and two, although I don't personally see R/S as a couple (although I appear to be coming around to this way of thinking), I can certainly appreciate why people *would* believe this, and indeed, I have no problem with R/S - it's entirely possible that JKR does intend for them to be perceived as homosexual - such an idea would fit in with the tone of the books, and with Remus being a werewolf, you have the double prejudice that's open to him, and perhaps Sirius is the only person who can truly understand how Remus feels - James is dead and Peter is a rat boy, besides which, Sirius' animagus form is so much like Remus' that he is more able to appreciate the animal instinct of the wolf. So I can see the relevance of R/S, and in conversation, I would be happy to argue for it. Because...it's sweet. Love is sweet, whether between man and woman, man and man or woman and woman. Love transcends gender. And that, my dears, is why some of the homophobes on that thread deserve to be victims of SMAXdown!
:o)
Hallie

Love transcends gender.

Precisely - that is one of the best I've heard it put, for a while now, and I love it. It does transcend gender - why put up those barriers in the first place?

And yes, SMAXdown is definitely a good thing to do in these cases. I'm just getting weary doing it. Some people just don't shut up. Argh.

::looks confused:: "Using Remus and Sirius as crusaders for the 'gay cause'"? Ummm, was this is on SQ or something, because I am totally lost! (Well, more so than usual, but that's quite beside the point.) I don't see that at all, really. As much as I love slash in almost all forms--I'll read most pairings, if the story is a good one--Remus and Sirius are the only two male characters that I truly see as being a plausible couple. I thought that from the beginning, and I still think that. One thing that irritates me about some fics is that everybody and their freakin' brother at Hogwarts is gay. Not bloody likely--otherwise, where in the hell did all of those Weasleys come from? ;-) But, I do think that there are gay people in amongst the larger straight wizarding population, just as there is in Real Life. R/S just seem to me to be the most plausible couple, and like you, I feel that they have a love that has withstood the test of time.

If nothing else, they should be held up as prime examples of love overcoming all the odds and should be applauded and admired for that, no matter what their sexual orientation.

And that's enough out of me, because probably none of that made the least bit of sense. Teach me to shoot off my mouth without having read the thread in question.... ;-)

Oh, and if you alienated any of the SBRL list with your lovely fic, I wouldn't worry about it. I thought it quite wonderful; painful and gut-wrenching, but wonderful. ::hugs::

As much as I love slash in almost all forms--I'll read most pairings, if the story is a good one--Remus and Sirius are the only two male characters that I truly see as being a plausible couple.

Canonically speaking - yes, I totally agree. And that's all that we're saying! That IF JKR decided to put in a gay couple, they would be the likeliest candidates. But, apparently, all we're doing is using those beloved characters (I swear to God, that's what someone said) for a cause and it's 'sad'. FUCK YOU! (Not you, obviously, you know what I mean. ;)) And yes, you made every bit of sense, don't you worry. ;)

*hugs*

crusaders for... muh?

okay, maybe this is just me, but remus and sirius would make absolute shite crusaders for gay rights. one, remus is the most closeted person ever to not really exist. i mean, he can't even be open about his species. two, sirius spent twelve years in prison for a crime he never committed, and is still being ruthlessly hunted as a murderer... that's hardly, like, affirmative action or anything. i mean, you're taking two of the most fucked-up, most persecuted characters in the novels -with the exception of harry- and holding them up as examples of how gayness is normal and good?

*blinks at SQ threads, and is not quite sure who she's agreeing with here*

*buggers off to the SBRL site to read this allegedly alienating fic*

right, i can't actually find this fic of yours, because i am stupid today. i don't suppose i could trouble you (or anyone else, for that matter?) for the actual link...?

ah. try this livejournal entry, love.

*licks*

*falls on her arse from drinking*

thanks, hon!

*wanders off to read*

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